Songs written to play to non christians which tell of our view on life without worshipping God directly in them

Worship music is very important interms of ministering to God and one another in the church but shouldnt we be writing songs which we can play to non christians which carry that same anointing?

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I believe that we need to think of our purpose for writing and singing certain songs. Should there be a market for Christian music that draws in non-believers? Yes. Do those songs belong in a church worship service, I don't think so. It is my belief that a church worship service should be preparing the hearts of the members of the congregation to receive what the Lord has placed on the pastor's heart to share and to prepare the way for God to work in and through the congregation. I've heard it said that worship should be vertical - going straight up to God and not out to the congregation. In my mind, worship is a prayer set to music. I think we miss the point if we're trying to attract people rather than seek God.



Exactly!  That's what I was trying to say in my reply to the topic " worship..."



Yes, Yes, Yes

I feel strongly that so there are so many people out there who would respond to honest songs about our belief.  In the UK we have one Sunday programme called "Songs of Praise" this is a wonderful program for the house bound Christian.  However it was called the most negative thing against the progress of evangelism today.  


There is a lack of singing in Churchs and out in the pubs, prisons, hospitals, gig venues that matches the issues facing many Christians and Non-Christians by Christians.   You know issues the ones in the Psalms and Prophets.  

It seems to me like there are plenty of non-worship Christian songs; isn't yer typical Christian radio station split about half and half these days between worship music and, umm, the other stuff?  WtR is specifically about worship music, though, so most of what gets posted here is worship-oriented.  When I critique a song on the songwriters' circle, I usually do so from a "worship music" perspective, again, since that's what WtR is about.


And, to me, the difference is that worship music puts words into the mouth of the congregational singer to help them worship; the other stuff speaks a message to the non-Christian to try to convince them to become a Christian.  Musically, there's not a whole lot of difference, other than trying to keep worship music "singable" by untrained singers.


I can't give you any pointers, but I'm sure there are songwriter boards out there that are oriented to non-worship music, if that's what you're looking for.  And, yeah, sure, evangelistic songs should be as well written and recorded as worship songs - maybe more so, since they're competing with secular music for the listener's attention.


I remember one church I was at where Sunday morning was for the congregation to worship, Sunday evening was the "evangelism" service, and Wednesday night was for study and edification.  I don't know how many churches split things up like that these days; it seems like evangelism tends to mean going outside the church building to spread the message, rather than trying to get the unsaved to come to our churches to hear it.

Here in the UK many Churches are not evangelising or teaching with other services.   

The Congregation that I'm a member of have youth Football, Family Days, Theme Park Days, Alpha courses a Mens Group for men who are not yet Christians.    

From my own experiance I feel that if you drag non-christians into a standard church service there is often a hugh culture shock.  

But surely worship is how we live our lives and this must mean want to learn more about God.   So not just songs of  Worship there needs to be songs of Teaching.     


I thought Worship the Rock was for Christians involved in Christian Music and about living a life of worship and supporting each other in fellowship.


Because of this discussion, I introduced a Christian song to the musicians I play secular music with. Ok, as experienced musicians, they may well have seen it as a decent song, so were happy to do it, but just maybe, something in the song could have touched them.


I can't see any reason not to use some the Christian songs that already exist to play to non Chistians. I've done it before, and you know what, it led to a non Christian friend writing a beautiful song with a Christian message.

How many times have non-Christians played/listened to Amazing Grace? It has to touch some.

Besides seeing people catering to their presumed ignorance or lack of interest in Chrstian things, I think non-Christians may welcome any music that honestly and attractively tells truth; and truth is God's thing.

Further, non-Christians such as myself at one time, appreciated people with the guts to do what other people deemed silly (singing a hymn, for instance).

I've tried subtly promoting the idea that Christian songs ought to include teaching; that learning about Christ is part of our maturing as a Body together; that music makes the learning beautiful.  Most of the songs I write are to reveal some aspect of life in Christ, life in the Spirit; however, getting them sung is quite another thing.

Except for the choirs, who understand this, the concept falls on deaf ears.  "Teaching Songs" seem to be relegated to Children's Church and to the Jesus Movement of the 70's, when un-Bibled hippies found joy in memorizing Scipture together; but not for our sophisticated world today.

I'm not dissing the entire music world!  There are indeed quite a few songs which convey Biblical thought powerfully and in a connected way.

There is also a species of song which I shall call "teachy."  You know the characteristics -- the author tries to cram\ a whole sermon or lesson, kicking and screaming, into four verses, and if he has half a thought left over, pens a fifth.  The reaction against this sort of didacticism can be fierce!  The writing of a Teaching Song is way more difficult than that of a Standard Worship Song, because you can't just tote out favourite rhymes and repeat a phrase to fill up a space.  The first song I wrote on the Fruit of the Spirit I had to repeat a Fruit, because because I had no idea of how to fill up the phrase; so there were those repeat fruits, making you do a doubloetake, like the Doublemint Twins (remember how IRRITATING they were?  Maybe you were spared Doublemint in the UK; but we got it full force.

Well, there's a few thoughts, and it's midnight.  I hope some of them are helpful.

Certainly we have a plethora of songs that lack a Christian world view - "Dust In The Wind" comes to mind. My Vietnamese friend, nicknamed "Dustin Nguyen" always looked up when he heard that song. Perhaps what you're looking for is a set of songs that are Christian in their world view. How you get that into the ears of non-believers is another issue.

Go to open Mic Nights

Go to pubs, fundraising events, hospitals, local radio, prisons:


 We include in our set of songs a lot of self pennd songs that have a Christian view point:


Death is Waiting  (Jolly and humourous - everyone is going to Die)  this song gets more people asking us about our faith than any other

Atmospheric Pressure (Being in the world and not part of it)

Rainbows (about the search for meaning (God) and finding Jesus)

Things you did last night   (Emptyness of Drinking and being with people who don't really care for you)

Staring at the Face of Jesus (Young people are needing a Father/Brother/Friend

Weird   (Why do I do the things I don't want to do/I'm a believer)

Internal Job Vacancy Blues (Casting Pearls before Swine)

Flying  (Addictive Sin and needing someone (Jesus) to save you)

BlackClouds (Depression -True Experiance - Jesus got me through it)


Beside these we do popular covers that we feel can be either seen as a Christian point of view or to bring the audience back to full attention (classic songs) or reflect problems of life were the God shaped hole is filled with things that are not good,  Including:

Happy Hour - House Martins

Good Riddance - Green Day

Help - Beatles

Johnny Be Goode - Chuck Berry   (Pubs love this now we got them we do "Staring at the face of Jesus")

Stand Up - James

Wall of Death - Richard Thompson

Days - Kinks

Everybodys Talking at Me - Nilsson

Only You -Yazzo



We did "Away in a Manger" in a Pub last Christmas


Yes we 'can' write ministry songs as well as worship songs.  There are a lot of very 'foundational truths' and 'positive principles' from Jesus' teachings that we can work into songs.  I have thought of this a lot.  But when it comes right down to it, the direct approach gets you there quicker.  Instead of trying to come in the back-door or 'sneaking' Him in...I think we can boldly speak the Name of Jesus.....get to the point.  Of course, some people will reject Him....but one day they might remember our words when they really need Him.  If we have an opportunity, we should not waste it.


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